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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri of

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all the candidates running for president

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of the United States the best one I've

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seen isn't Bernie Sanders it's not even

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Donald Trump it's the candidate of the

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US green party she's a better woman than

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Clinton she's a better Democrat than

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Sanders and if Sanders were to win the

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nomination the left vote in America will

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certainly be torn if Clinton wins our

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next guest might do very well indeed

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she's Dr Jill Stein and she's running

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for the presidency of the USA which

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would make her the most powerful woman

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in the history of the world how's that

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that's quite quite a prize how are you

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doing how's your c campaign going it's

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going great it's going gang busters

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there's a rebellion going on in the US

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as in much of the world for good reason

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we're in crisis and people really want

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to see change and you know the point

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we're making is that you cannot have a

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revolution inside of a

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counterrevolutionary party that this is

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a big fight a deep fight and a long

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fight and um you know it can't simply be

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passed on to Hillary Clinton um and we

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think that uh Bernie Sanders is running

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a very principled and Powerful campaign

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he's writing that wave of Revolt but you

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know fortunately he's in a party which

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has a track record for uh basically

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sabotaging its Rebels it has done a good

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job of doing that in the past from

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Dennis cusin to Jesse Jackson uh to

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Howard Dean and whether they use uh a PR

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campaign like the dean scream to bring

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down uh the dean candidacy also Jesse

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Jackson was sabotaged by a PR campaign

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by the uh DNC um you know the Democratic

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party has its ways of reigning people in

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if they try to Rebel the bottom line is

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that we have a political system in the

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US which is funded by predatory Banks

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and fossil fuel Giants and War

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profiteers so we really need to reject

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that system we say to reject the Lesser

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evil so we can stand up and really fight

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for the greater good oh very well put uh

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I better not start on the Democratic

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party because I've had a lifelong

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experience of the very betrayals and so

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on that you allude to

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Let Me Assume and I think it's a safe

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assumption that Donald Trump God forbid

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but likely to be the Republican Party

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candidate and Hillary Clinton uh as

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kissen jar once said it's a pity they

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both can't lose but maybe they could

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because you're there as a as an

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alternative give me your thumbnail

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sketch of those two likely opponents

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Unfortunately they have an awful lot in

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common um they both support a very

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strong military um they support you know

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a budget in which 54% of our tax dollars

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our discretionary budget is going to the

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military um to fight these wars which

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are not making us safer they are not

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making the world a safer place they are

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really um you know uh they are they are

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firing back at us uh madly creating

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failed States and Refugee crisis and

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worse terrorist threats actually so they

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both fail to see the picture on that

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account they're both very much

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representatives of the oligarchy Hillary

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Clinton who was on the board of

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directors for Walmart there's no more

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oppressive a corporation for workers

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rights and women than Walmart um you

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know who never found a war that she

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didn't support uh Donald Trump it's hard

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to say exactly where he stands because

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he changes his mind all the time he has

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mind one thing is very clear which is

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that uh he is not friendly to immigrants

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imants and you know for him not to

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understand uh that in our country we are

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all immigrants and in fact that

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immigrants are really the vitality and

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the diversity of our communities our

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economy our culture you know this is a

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very dangerous thing this is sort of the

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slippery slope to Fascism I must say

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there is nothing inspiring there's

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nothing really uh enlightened about

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either of those campaigns they're both

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representatives of oligarchy and at this

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point it's unclear whether the Republic

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an will allow Donald Trump to be

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nominated there's talk now about um Ryan

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being a brokered candidate uh at the

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Republican convention who's he uh that's

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Paul Ryan he's speaker of the house and

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he's also the chairman of the Republican

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National Committee and and you know he's

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sort of the establishment Republican

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party which is very much at War uh with

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Donald Trump well let's stay on Trump

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for a moment uh but I know gatri wants

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to talk about Clinton um he seems to me

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you mentioned the world fascist he seems

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to me on the edge of a kind of musolini

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type uh politics he's threatening to

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punch people in the face at Big rallies

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he insults people in the most personal

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way even on

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television uh he referred uh a few days

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ago to someone should have been carried

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out of here on a

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stretcher uh there's a kind of scary

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fascism uh in this uh underneath this

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blonde thatch oh a agreed completely um

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you know from the start when he began

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talking about Mexican immigrants as you

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know rapists and and and murderers to uh

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advocating that we shoot the family

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members of suspected terrorists to

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wanting to Bar uh all Muslims from

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entering the country I mean this is very

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scary stuff and this is what demagoguery

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looks like these are real though is it

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that's what I wonder is he not just

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well and unfortunately that's what

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demagogues do you know and and then

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there's no holding them back and then

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they each encourages the he talked the

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other day about dipping bullets in pig

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fat to shoot Muslims and how it worked

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then and it could work now he actually

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said those words anyway sorry I

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interrupted you no um you mentioned

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earlier the women's rights now Hillary

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is obviously playing the feminist card

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but she has killed so many women in her

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in her War promotions as foreign

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secretary which obviously stands upon

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what you stand for what it's quite

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ironic isn't it oh it is yes I mean it's

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as if elect me because I have two ex

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chromosomes you know and I talk about

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women but you know she really addresses

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the needs of women very much around the

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margins yes Child Care would be

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wonderful and after school programs and

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equal wages but how about we have wages

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which are living wages that can keep a

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family out of poverty no one has hurt

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more from the austerity agenda that

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Hillary Clinton has been a promoter of

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you know she was uh very much on board

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with her husband when he uh dismantled

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the safety net for poor women uh put an

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end to welfare as we know it created a

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very harsh prison um policy locking up

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poor African American people very hard

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Hillary Clinton has been behind all of

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that and now she's suddenly trying to

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change her tune so yes this doesn't work

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and and I think this makes it all the

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more important you know we sort of see

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the political system in the US um in a

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freef fall really you know it's been

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held hostage by oligarchy by big money

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for decades and it's you know the the

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latest step uh has been citizens united

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but there were a series of decisions

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leading up to this and as money has

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become more concentrated in fewer hands

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to where you know it's now 62

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billionaires that have the wealth of

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half the entire world's population and

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most of that is in the US you know

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that's been building and as it has in

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the words of uh the famous uh Supreme

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Court Justice Lewis brandise uh we can

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either have a democracy or vast

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concentrations of wealth so we've got

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that vast wealth it's now you know uh in

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the hands of political parties and the

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rub here is that you have to identify

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that you have to call it out the problem

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here is not just the billionaire

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the problem is also the political

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parties whom the billionaires control

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which is why we feel in order to really

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achieve economic uh equality in order to

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achieve a a climate and an environment

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that we can survive in to the end of

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this Century let alone you know a world

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for our children to end these massive

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and expanding Wars we have to really uh

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transform not only our economy not only

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our military but in order to do all of

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that we've really got to transform our

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political system and it has happened

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before the Predators put out this

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mythology that resistance is feudal and

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they have all these explanations for why

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things can't change and they want you

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basically to be locked into

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powerlessness but there are plenty of

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examples history is full of examples

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about how change can happen from the

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bottom up and even at the top resonating

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with the bottom so for example a third

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party has been elected to the presidency

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of the United States and the example is

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Abraham Lincoln the Republican party was

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an independent and new third party uh

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just before the Civil War it became the

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party of abolition and a third party

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candidate Abraham Lincoln was elected at

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a time of great transition he's quite

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well remembered the the the labor party

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also was a a third uh party that's right

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and in the minutes left to us that's I

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think the what we used to call when it

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was a lot of money The

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$64,000 Question that Tweedle D versus

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Tweedle Dum and you choose which is the

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least ugly of the two to be your

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president there's no future in that

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apart from anything else it's an open

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invitation to Tweedle Dums party to be

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as much like Tweedle d as possible and

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increasingly converging uh so a third

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party is vitally necessary in the United

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States but what do you think its chances

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are in this poll imagine Trump versus

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Clinton

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versus Dr Jill Stein what's the chances

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of making a breakthrough I think a

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breakthrough is going to happen you know

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the question is how big a breakthrough

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will it be uh in the words of Woody

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Allen half of life is showing up you

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want to be there so that when the House

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of Cards comes down you are there and

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and in my view that is Our obligation

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and that is where we declare Victory you

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know the victory is getting as far and

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as fast as we possibly can towards a

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world in which we can survive and a

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world in which we can Thrive because we

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can't do that on the trajectory that

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we're on right now and whether we get to

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5% or whether we get to

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55% uh the point is to be ready we're in

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the age of the Black Swan event right

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now all these unlikely and absolutely

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impossible things are happening both for

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better and for worse because we're you

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know we're sort of in this age of

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consequences right now of the corporate

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uh hijack of our economy and our

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political system so we have both

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terrible things happening on the right

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right and we have a real social

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mobilization uh a movement for democracy

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and Justice which is really sweeping

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across the planet right now that needs

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to be reflected in our political system

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and I'll leave you with one thought

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that's this there are 43 million young

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people who are in debt right now in the

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United States for whom there is no

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future and For Whom the two parties are

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exactly the same the Democrats and

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Republicans offer them nothing 43

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million people uh if they learn that

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there is one candidate who will abolish

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their debt and I am the only candidate

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that will do that we could see 43

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million people self- mobilize to come

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out and vote 43 million is a plurality

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of the vote in a three-way Race So if

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young people learn that they can take

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over this election take back their

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economic future their climate future

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their future of racial Justice bring a

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whole Justice agenda with the

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cancellation of debt they can actually

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achieve that by checking the green box

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uh on November 8th Dr Stein may be soon

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the most powerful woman in the history

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of the world thanks very much for

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joining us on the sputnic coming up next

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it's time to box clever and box up crime

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don't miss

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it welcome back to Sputnik it's the one

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bit of grandmotherly wisdom which

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politicians never seem to get a stitch

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in time saves nine it costs more per

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year to s send a young man to prison

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than it does to send him to Eon but for

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a mere fraction of that cost young men

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could be saved from the road to jail in

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the first place in a time of austerity

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the taxpayer is spraying out hundreds of

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millions of pounds putting people behind

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bars after which most of them go on to

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commit more expensive crime yet youth

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services are the first to be slashed by

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the government and local authorities

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alike leaving boys and girls on the the

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University of Mean Streets one young man

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who attended that University was on that

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road but dragged himself off it with his

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own hands or rather his fists is stevenh

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Addison of box up crime and I'm glad to

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say he's in the ring with me now Stephen

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thanks for uh joining us we'll come on

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to uh box up crime and what you're doing

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with it in a minute but tell us please

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first how you got here what road you

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were on and how you got off it it's been

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a long journey and I'm very thankful

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that I'm here and I'm alive here I'm

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alive today you know I thank God for

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taking me from where I was cuz I was in

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a very dark place I caught up in a lot

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of negative stuff all my friends around

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me they were involved in drugs uh fraud

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and it was this complete darkness but

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growing up in a deprived um London

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estate barkings prob one of the most po

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Estates in London and and there's not

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really much to kind of look forward to

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like a lot of uh young people they kind

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of follow this ideology that the only

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way to be successful is through drugs or

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fraud or robberies we don't young people

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they don't really kind of aspire to kind

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of get involved in like becoming a

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business leader or setting up an

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organization or becoming a sportsman

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like that these sort of realities are

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not common for young people because it's

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not been exposed to young people and

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from where I'm from I of got caught up

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into that reality thinking that the only

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way I can be successful is through crime

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the the transformation took place for me

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at the age of 20 so what brought about

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that transformation so I had a dream at

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the age of 20 uh that me and my friends

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were going to go to prison for life for

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murder and within that dream I saw that

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the judge said you know what Steven you

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guys like you guys have been convicted

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for murder and this is uh you guys are

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going to go jail and I remember looking

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at my mates in the dream saying that

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this this is messed up and then I can

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remember I can see my mom like crying in

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the gallery who was in The Old Bailey

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and the dream just felt so real and then

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uh I just felt God just say to me in the

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dream that Steven if you carry on living

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the lifestyle that you're living this is

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going to be your reality so I woke up in

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the morning and I uh told my mom no say

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let me go back so after God explained it

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to me that this is going to be my

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reality if I carry on that lifestyle he

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said if I change my life around and give

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my life to him and start focusing he

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will make me he will make my story

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change and I'll become a role model and

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I'll become an inspiration to many uh

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many young people across the world and

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I'll be I'll help young kids get off the

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streets and out of

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gangs my life started taken a whole

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different route I stopped talking to my

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mates I was 21 Stones I was overweight

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but I just found some sort of confidence

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in my new found Faith you know and I

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just started going boxing I was going

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boxing every single day cuz that was

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taken away that was filling up my diary

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from what I used to do cuz every single

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day I was on the streets with my mates

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but now every single day I was in the

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boxing gym and my coach used to take me

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he used to train me every day his name

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was Tony Cece and he used to look after

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me pick me up from college take me to

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the gym like uh and I I just started

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finding like purpose and I was really

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focusing to I I picked up the confidence

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to go university to study business and

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uh when I got into University I lost a

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lot of weight I was about I shed about

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seven stones in fact and my University

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asked me stepen Jo to compete in the

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British championships like for the union

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TR to represent the union and I was like

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yeah I wouldn't mind and uh this is two

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years later for me actually uh having

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that dream two years after the dream and

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I competed at the British championships

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and I won Gold I won Gold at it and I

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went I was really excited so I went to

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go and get the newspapers to go and show

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my my family and stuff like that and my

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friends and I remember when I picked up

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that newspaper that day like I was on

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the back page in the sports section for

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winning the championship but then I see

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on the front page four like four of my

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mates and one of them in particular is

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the one I kept telling about and telling

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about the dream said this is the dream I

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had and they the judge had giving them

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93 years in prison for murder so like

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the dream that I had two years ago had

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that actually manifested and come come

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to life so you see that's uh such an

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extraordinary story that one imagines

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it's a dream one imagines it's a film

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but I can vouch for the fact that what

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you've just told the viewers is

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absolutely correct on the day that you

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got the gold medal the friends went to

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jail for murder for murder God is great

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there is no uh doubt about that tell us

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how you made was it through your studies

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of business that you have managed now

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not just to be a role model but to make

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this wonderful Project Box up crying at

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the time when I got the news and then I

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I saw myself in the back and I see my

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friends it I kind of forgot about the

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dream that I had previous to that

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because it nothing had manifested

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nothing had actually happened so to me

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it was just a dream to my friends it was

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just a dream to everyone around me it

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was just a dream but then when I see

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that I was like wow I remember God you

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show me that two years ago and I just

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felt a deep sense of conviction I was

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humbled the fact that God gave me that

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opportunity

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to still be uh still be free and and

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reveal that to me and then when I was at

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University I was my final year and we

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was asked to do a dissertation so I

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decided to study uh how to set up a

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social Enterprise that can effectively

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like create change like amongst young

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people so my lecturer at the time at

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London South University was Dr Gloria

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Gordon and she told me Steven like why

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don't you actually since this cuz she

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she knew my whole journey she knew my

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journey and she said Stephen why you

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actually um set something up and create

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a sound model that will actually help

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affect the change that you're looking

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for so my dissertation title was called

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when passion meets purpose preparing for

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my breakthrough so I went to find out

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what happens when you bring passion and

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purpose together like what happen so

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that was my main thesis for the

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dissertation and the passion at the time

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was uh boxing cuz I loved boxing I loved

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boxing I still love boxing and then the

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purpose

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was helping young people come off the

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streets so I went to bring the two

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together I box in then helping young

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people come off the streets and I came

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up with the idea of box up crime and um

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we came up with the conclusion that P

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plus P equals m so purpose plus passion

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equals meaning and that was like the

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main conclusion of my dissertation I

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would not find meaning until I actually

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put my purpose and passion together did

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you come up with the name even I came up

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with the name box. crime yeah it's very

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bril so this is this this is box H crime

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so uh D has it worked has it saved other

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young men like you well it's it's

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working it's doing great that I got a

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first class of my dissertation and my

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University was like this idea looks like

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it would be great let's really sponsor

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it and see if it can go further so they

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gave me £1,200 to actually do a pilot

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study sixe pilot study we did our sixe

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pilot study in 2013 August and we had

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120 kids come down for the pilot study

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and after the 6 week pilot study L the

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kids were like we want that back we want

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that back but I literally had no other

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finances to fund it so I was like how am

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I going to do it how am I going to do it

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and then God opened the door you know

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and he allowed me to pay for the rent

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for the three months like to get like

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the whole space and we invited all the

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kids in the community to calm down now

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three years three years down the line

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we're still doing it we're working with

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600 kids A week 6 600 600 young kids A

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week we get referrals from probation

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from the youth services like we work in

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schools we provide behavioral programs

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the same school that I actually got

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kicked out of and told never to come

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back they actually offered me a contract

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to to take over their Behavioral Unit

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you know and take over so we now run I

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now run the Behavioral Unit at my old

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school that was probably that one of the

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worst students there I got kicked out 15

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times in my old school you know and I

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remember I remember I was just a

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nightmare like every parents evenly my

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mom will come home crying but now I'm

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back in the same school working with

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students which were just out myself with

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we've got so many awards we've won so

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many awards we won the team London award

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in 2013 that was given to us by the

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mayor of London Boris Johnson you know

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but for me like is not the awards that

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mean has he helped out a lot in your

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project but he he's he's been he's been

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supportive he's like he's he's um kind

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of put us on that platform where a lot

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of people look at us in a different way

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when we won that award people didn't

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just see it as oh this is Steven from

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the streets but now they start seeing Oh

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you know the recognition like a lot of

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the people in that kind of world started

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thinking you know was take interest this

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but for me like the the most important

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thing is seeing kids lives changed I'm

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seeing young kids that have come out of

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gangs I'm seeing kids that have been

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walking around with guns knives I've

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seeing kids that have stabbed kids and

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now I'm seeing them working like in box

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up as mentors and role models and

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leaders and for me that is the only

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award I kind of really want that's the

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only recognition I really want a lot of

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people ask me why are you doing it for

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free the kids come down to my gym every

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week for free you know and we don't

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really get much C funding we don't get

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no C funding people ask me why are you

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taking on that social responsibility

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like why you who commissions you to do

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it but for me I believe that the

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commissioning comes from a higher higher

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higher source you know which is good so

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I I believe that the purpose that I have

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in this world is to work with these

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young people that provide opportunities

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for these young I don't want to see

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young kids go to jail for 30 years and

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get murdered you know that cuz I've

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grown up seeing that often so it's now

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time that I'm happy I'm thankful that

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I'm in this position to really work with

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these kids and even the fact that you

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offered this opportunity this platform

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for me to share this this story like

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it's it speaks volumes like this shows

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that what a great person you are you

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know you're the you're you're the one

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who speaks volumes you're a knockout

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Stephen thanks for coming on the Sputnik

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and we'll make sure that your project is

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properly

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showcased God bless screen God bless you

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God bless

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you now it's your turn to tell us what

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you think through the portals of social

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media what's rattling gy so who do you

609
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fear most Trump or Clinton that's a hard

610
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one it's a hard one so geopol politics

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says Trump because his privileged

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self-obsessed sociopath That Couldn't

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care less about others H bone then

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responds you've just described Hillary

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Lenny edit then says it's a bit like

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Blair or Cameron both cheeks of the same

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bottom well uh uh it's a very powerful

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set of points I mean it's always to an

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extent Tweedle D and Tweedle Dum but

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this is as uh close uh as you can get I

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mean Trump leaving aside his personal

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characteristics stands for exactly the

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same things as Hillary Clint they're

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both monsters well they are they're both

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monsters I'm I'm sorry to say the one is

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XX the other

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XI yeah one's got two X chromosomes and

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that's all that we've got time for this

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week which alas means that's the end of

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the show but you can stay in touch with

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us through Twitter at rtor Sputnik or on

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Facebook Sputnik on Russia today it's

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goodbye from me gri and from me George

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Galloway it's been marvelous